Talk:Item Inventory History

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Another possible configuration

This way we can get many more images on one grid AND have them labled without having separate lines for all.

--SpinMarty

It looks more messy that way, I think it should be the way it was before, because it separates them, if somebody wanted to find a certain one, it would be much more difficult. --Haveamagicalday

Except that it is just a visual history and I don't think most will care to look for specific items to be honest. --SpinMarty 14:53, 30 December 2007 (CST)

Good point spin :) I guess we can do that :). I'll change it to your way, I have a question though, how do you get a pic of the old items like you did? Did you use the pic here on the site and crop it and then upload it? --Haveamagicalday

I'll go ahead and work on this aspect as I haven't contributed much in the last few months. I happen to have a large inventory and photos (old and new) of most when I was preparing to do this previously. What I don't have I can quickly copy from here and rename/upload. --SpinMarty 15:07, 30 December 2007 (CST)

I noticed you were gone for awhile, welcome back! I've been taking pics of images that have been changed since you created this page, I've been bored waiting in my contest room for a HOST_ to pop up lol. I'll re-upload them then to the current images we have here, to the new ones. --Haveamagicalday

wait wait wait. My suggestion . . . upload the old photos as "itemname0.jpg" (note the "0") and then we can upload the new photos under the existing title on thier image page so that we don't have to fix every item page!! Look what I did in the "Recent changes" with the Davey Jones Organ. --SpinMarty 15:21, 30 December 2007 (CST)

I have seen that one, and I thought you were uploading the old ones. When I uploaded the new Ace Of Spades Carpet image, I noticed after I already uploaded it, that the file name of the old one was different. The name of the item was wrong, which I wasn't expecting. I did change the pages that used that image though. I knew that the old ones should have the "O" in the file name, which again, I thought you had the images of. That page will have to be deleted then (the old image), and then upload the new image? I'll keep my eye out more on the file name of the images, so this hopefully won't happen again. Sorry for the problems Spin! --Haveamagicalday

Another Configuration

I have been looking at the way we are doing this and I thought it might look better if we had two sections. Here is an example:

Past Photos

Current Photos

--Nick hms 00:59, 31 December 2007 (CST)

I like your idea however the idea of this page is to 1) show a side-by-side comparison, and 2) show the history of the inventory photos. The big grid shows both of the goals. Now, maybe it would be a good idea to split the grid into several parts (ie: music, rugs, etc., like the main page inventory list). Just a thought. --SpinMarty 01:18, 31 December 2007 (CST)

Here is another I idea:


Here is another idea, Similar to what we have but a little different:

Now if we were to go even further possibly this:

Davey Jones Organ

Ace of Spades Carpet


Nick_hms and I were discussing this one (the item headings and the comparison pics... Thought it might be nice to have it like this as you could link to it on the item page...--UpInTheAir 01:35, 31 December 2007 (CST)

Why a separate page?

I'm a little curious why we're making a separate page dedicated to the photos instead of adding them to the item's page itself? --Prisoner 05:07, 31 December 2007 (CST)

I think that is just what Up was mentioning. I hadn't given it much thought but it seems that it WOULD be better to put it on each items page. That way the history of that item is intact. --SpinMarty 09:15, 31 December 2007 (CST)

Exactly...I really wanted to have the changes and inventory picture history associated with the item page and I think this is the right solution. I still think we can keep the page about inventory pic changes and just have examples there like making the item smaller to bit the box or rotation. Also on this page would be nice to perhaps just list or link to the items have have had this change (or use DPL?). Just a thought. At least I think we should note that history can be seen on an item's individual page as many users still do not realize that clicking on an item link can give them additional information not found in our tables. This project is a great example of the teamwork and collaboration that is so important to the wiki :)--UpInTheAir 14:13, 31 December 2007 (CST)

Well, if we aren't going to use this page to list them all, and we would put them on the item's page itself, then this page is pretty much useless. I don't see how using DPL would work in this case, because there are many pages, not just four or so like we did on the Checklist page. I'll continue to help put up the pics I can on this page, until we decide what to do, so we can have the pics to use for what ever we're going to do with them. --Haveamagicalday


I was trying to do this along with the sells for info, but right now figure should focus on one at a time. Most of the ALR items have been rotated it seems, I caught some of the later ones. I still think it would be better to have such information associated with the item page itself...and in terms of DPR, if we categorize the pages with something like Category:Inventory Image History we could use DPL on this page to create a list of all items that are in this category. Any thoughts? --UpInTheAir 19:12, 7 January 2008 (CST)

Pictures

Why are the current Submarine Middle and Cookie Tree pictures bigger that the old? Were they meant to be this way? --Scootz 06:13, 9 January 2008 (CST) (Talk | contribs)

What do you mean "bigger"? I just checked the Sub Middle picture, and the new picture does match what is currently shown in VMK. --Prisoner 12:54, 9 January 2008 (CST)

The picture listed as the current is bigger and more cropped off than the old, but the page says pictures were changed to make the items smaller in order to fit them. --Scootz 15:46, 9 January 2008 (CST) (Talk | contribs)

It is meant to be this way, some they made bigger, yes it's odd, but that's the way vmk has it. --Haveamagicalday 18:05, 9 January 2008 (CST)

Sounds like we need to fix the text then. {: --Prisoner 18:32, 9 January 2008 (CST)

Table

This may be using DPL, but this looks bad in my opinion, it doesn't show which one is current, I'm getting confused with some of them, because they are rotated, and I have to see the item page itself, to find out which is which. --Haveamagicalday 18:11, 9 January 2008 (CST)

It's said at the top. --Scootz 18:26, 9 January 2008 (CST) (Talk | contribs)

Ok, but, I still don't like it, but it works lol. --Haveamagicalday 18:30, 9 January 2008 (CST)

As scootz notes, the columns are labeled. I'm not sure what other way we can do it that doesn't look even messier - but I'm open to suggestions. --Prisoner 18:32, 9 January 2008 (CST)

I didn't really see what was wrong with it before, yes, we are using DPL, but it's not really needed here, we didn't really need a category for it. The way before, clarified better what was old and current better, since some are bigger than they were before. --Haveamagicalday 18:45, 9 January 2008 (CST)

The point of this is that the actual infomation is entered onto the item pages and we use DPL to retrieve some of the info and display it here. That way this page will stay up to date on its own instead of us having to add information to two different places each time we document the inventory image changes.

I feel it's important to have the image history on the actual item page itself as the point of keeping past images is to show the history OF a particular item. Therefore documentation of inventory images should be associated with the item page itself. Also, some of the current images are cut off and so the past image is actually "better" as I believe to be the case for the ALR Flower Blue for example. This means that a person looking at the item page may also be getting a better view of the item by having past images still there.

So going off the idea that the Inventory Image History of an item should be documented ON the actual page of the item leaves us with the question of what would become of this (the Item Inventory History) page. These inventory image changes are an important part of VMK's visual history, and therefore having a page that 1) has text to explain what appears to have happened and 2) demonstrates the scope of these changes by showing the items to which such changes has occurred is something that I believe is useful. And it certainly is easy enough using DPL. I added the categorization into the template already knowing that DPL would be a great tool for us here. Initially I had items listed as links to their pages, but Priz turned that into a table which allows for very easy comparison and a glimpse of "the big picture". Right now I think this works well but we will have to see as more and more items are added.

Initially when Spin and I first discussed the inventory image changes oh so long ago it WAS because VMK had introduced smaller images that actually fit. I cannot vouch for the actions of VMK (obviously) and currently I cannot speculate why some of their images enlarged but the important thing is they have and this is STILL a part of the history. The text has been changed to accomadate such actions on the part of VMK, and that is all we can (and need to) do. I didn't have any trouble figuring out which image was the current one. And so long as one does not have preconcieved notions, thanks to the textual changes anyone who looks at the page will be able to understand that these images show changes...not necessarily good changes/improvements, but changes. And this is the point. We are factual. We try to be accurate. If VMK makes changes that make us scratch our head we STILL document them, and right now I think we are doing a good job with that.--UpInTheAir 01:28, 10 January 2008 (CST)

I give you an "A" for your short essay :) UpInTheAir is correct in her recollection that our original conversation months ago was to document the changes that VMK does, whether we like or agree with them or not. If an item has a horrible inventory photo now, by putting BOTH photos on that item's page only makes sense in a historical perspective - which is one of the goals of the wiki. (The other is for "collecting" and the third is for game guide information.) --SpinMarty 01:46, 10 January 2008 (CST)

I agree with both of these ideas, said by Up and Spin, I just think the gallery looks better than the table, and it's shorter too. Yes, we should put the past and current images on the item page as well as here, for a more wide-view of the changes made. --Haveamagicalday 19:14, 10 January 2008 (CST)